Phoenix
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/\u003e\nTo this troop come thou not near.\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u003cbr /\u003e\nFrom this session interdict\u003cbr /\u003e\nEvery fowl of tyrant wing,\u003cbr /\u003e\nSave the eagle, feather\u0027d king:\u003cbr /\u003e\nKeep the obsequy so strict.\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u003cbr /\u003e\nLet the priest in surplice white,\u003cbr /\u003e\nThat defunctive music can,\u003cbr /\u003e\nBe the death-defying swan,\u003cbr /\u003e\nLest the requiem lack his right.\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u003cbr /\u003e\nAnd thou, treble-dated crow,\u003cbr /\u003e\nThat thy sable gender mak\u0027st\u003cbr /\u003e\nWith the breath thou giv\u0027st and tak\u0027st,\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u0027Mongst our mourners shalt thou go.\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u003cbr /\u003e\nHere the anthem doth commence:\u003cbr /\u003e\nLove and constancy is dead;\u003cbr /\u003e\nPhoenix and the turtle fled\u003cbr /\u003e\nIn a mutual flame from hence.\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u003cbr /\u003e\nSo they lov\u0027d, as love in twain\u003cbr /\u003e\nHad the essence but in one;\u003cbr /\u003e\nTwo distincts, division none:\u003cbr /\u003e\nNumber there in love was slain.\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u003cbr /\u003e\nHearts remote, yet not asunder;\u003cbr /\u003e\nDistance, and no space was seen\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u0027Twixt the turtle and his queen;\u003cbr /\u003e\nBut in them it were a wonder.\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u003cbr /\u003e\nSo between them love did shine,\u003cbr /\u003e\nThat the turtle saw his right\u003cbr /\u003e\nFlaming in the phoenix\u0027 sight:\u003cbr /\u003e\nEither was the other\u0027s mine.\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u003cbr /\u003e\nProperty was thus appall\u0027d,\u003cbr /\u003e\nThat the self was not the same;\u003cbr /\u003e\nSingle nature\u0027s double name\u003cbr /\u003e\nNeither two nor one was call\u0027d.\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u003cbr /\u003e\nReason, in itself confounded,\u003cbr /\u003e\nSaw division grow together;\u003cbr /\u003e\nTo themselves yet either-neither,\u003cbr /\u003e\nSimple were so well compounded.\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u003cbr /\u003e\nThat it cried how true a twain\u003cbr /\u003e\nSeemeth this concordant one!\u003cbr /\u003e\nLove hath reason, reason none\u003cbr /\u003e\nIf what parts can so remain.\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u003cbr /\u003e\nWhereupon it made this threne\u003cbr /\u003e\nTo the phoenix and the dove,\u003cbr /\u003e\nCo-supreme and stars of love;\u003cbr /\u003e\nAs chorus to their tragic scene.\n\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u003cb\u003eTHRENOS.\u003c/b\u003e\n\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBeauty, truth, and rarity.\u003cbr /\u003e\nGrace in all simplicity,\u003cbr /\u003e\nHere enclos\u0027d in cinders lie.\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u003cbr /\u003e\nDeath is now the phoenix\u0027 nest;\u003cbr /\u003e\nAnd the turtle\u0027s loyal breast\u003cbr /\u003e\nTo eternity doth rest,\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u003cbr /\u003e\nLeaving no posterity:— \u003cbr /\u003e\n\u0027Twas not their infirmity,\u003cbr /\u003e\nIt was married chastity.\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u003cbr /\u003e\nTruth may seem, but cannot be:\u003cbr /\u003e\nBeauty brag, but \u0027tis not she;\u003cbr /\u003e\nTruth and beauty buried be.\u003cbr /\u003e\n\u003cbr /\u003e\nTo this urn let those repair\u003cbr /\u003e\nThat are either true or fair;\u003cbr /\u003e\nFor these dead birds sigh a prayer.\n\u003c/p\u003e\n\n \n\u003cp\u003eThis work was published before January 1, 1931, and is in the \u003cb\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain\" title=\"w:Public domain\"\u003epublic domain\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/b\u003e worldwide because the author died at least 100 years ago.\n\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cspan\u003e\u003c/span\u003e\n\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\n \u003c/article\u003e"},{"Kind":"TextSection","Title":"Core Thesis","Paragraphs":["Phoenix is a lost dialogue title attributed to Euclid, retained as evidence for the range of Megarian Socratic writing rather than as a recoverable treatise."]},{"Kind":"FieldSection","Title":"Classification","Fields":[{"Label":"Alternate 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